Russ of the BML
1:56 Mon Oct 23
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Vexed 11:38 Mon Oct 23
You raise a good point about 'on paper'.
We may look better on paper but Villa have a manager that has coached and drilled them to play an attacking and positive style of football. It's a high line that requires energy and discipline and, guess what? They've all bought into it.
When you have that, even the most average top level players can look outstanding as they earn and create the space to play in. Anybody can look good when they have space and time on the ball.
So what does Moyes do when we play a team that rely on a high energy high press? He just plays the same one up front in Antonio who lumbered about like a fucking League 2 journeyman.
When you have a high line you must pull that line back. Get the high line down the field away from your goal. You do that by attacked and beating the press. Yet we are somehow supposed to do that with Antonio and Soucek. No ability and no pace.
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Vexed
1:47 Mon Oct 23
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Sir Alf 12:33 Mon Oct 23
As usual too long and I couldn't be arsed to read it all but you're fucking mad if you think our team in paper is worse than a team containing the hopeless McGinn. Paqueta, Alverez, Ward Prowse, Kudus, Zouma, Bowen easy walk into their side with zero debate, several others possible. As for getting done for pace - we didn't really we got done tactically because Moyes is so fucking predicable and a whacking hole in the middle of the park. Watkins is overrated, and gets far too many plaudits, but he at least can trap a fucking bag of cement u like Antonio who put in a fucking shameful performance and then got 'protected' at 4-1 down by the idiot Moyes. Not buying a striker and not being prepared to play Kudus instead is another fucking glaring Moyes fuck up that will lead to another chit season and no European football next season. He's a cunt and I can't wait for him to fuck off.
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threesixty
1:37 Mon Oct 23
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"Villa play the high line and Moyes picks a side that cannot exploit it keeping Kudus on the bench etc."
And thats the whole problem in a nutshell. He didnt pick a team to win. He picked his own team based on some baffling hierarchy of loyalty he has for some players. The man has a squad of players with different attributes to counter the opposition and he doesn't bother with it.
When has he ever said, we picked xyz to counter this? Or we picked xyz to specifically deal with another team. This whole old school, this is the 1st 11 crap is so mad.
Also, Villa are not massively different squad wise to other seasons. In fact they've lost Mings and some others to injury. Yet when Moyes is in the press conference he's elevated them to some top team that we are lucky to beat.. like wtf?
We should back ourselves to beat them. If we dont what's the point? We spend more than them. Paqueta has 42 caps for Brazil and 9 goals, Luis has 9 fucking cap! Yet they have better players than us? No, they have a better manager than us!
Moyes is showing mid table manager vibes. Cant see much else.
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Sir Alf
12:33 Mon Oct 23
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Opinions as always but I would suggest our squad and definitely first 11 is not as good technically as Villa. Soucek, Antonio, Coufal and based on yesterday Zouma and Aguerd do not match Villas equivalents. The first 3 above are simply inferior in terms of control, passing and in the case of Soucek and even Coufal lack pace needed. Zouma and Aguerd as a pair look vulnerable to pace and quick feet. Not saying any of the first 3 or 4 players should not be a squad option but not good enough for the first team in the league to start games.
Zouma and Aguerd both too easily beaten by pace and quick feet of Watkins and Bailey. Why? Because we were chasing the game and the defensive shield ( low block they now call it ) was not protecting them cutting out the supply to Watkins etc.
Then there a the Moyes factor… firstly he picks these players and does not prioritise technical skills or passing and control it seems ? And then his system and tactics of defend deep, compact and narrow with containment and countering and set pieces the only plan to score but giving up possession. Which is why I suppose he doesn’t care that Soucek and Coufal and Antonio cannot pass or control the ball very well. Coufal does work hard and can do a job so a tad harsh on him but we need better especially as he’s vulnerable to pace defensively and imo offers very limited and technically poor attacking options even tho he gets forward well. Crossing was dreadful yesterday although he went alone.
Villa play the high line and Moyes picks a side that cannot exploit it keeping Kudus on the bench etc.
Then there is the frustration of playing players out of position in that wide left position. Fornals, Benny, Paqueta, now Kudus. And we have a wide left player with some pace who never gets a minute ( Cornet ) perhaps because he was not a Moyes pick like Downes wasn’t so they get passed over and bombed out the club without playing
Mid table in the league at best. Everton are a hard working decent side that has struggled to score and the opposite of us according to Opta and are underachieving. Wheels could come off or be put back on this week with the European game on Thurs too.
Steidten is key and our best hope to progress further and it will mean getting the aforementioned players replaced / upgraded as first framers and I highly suspect a manager to replace Moyes. Alonso ?
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w4hammer
11:41 Mon Oct 23
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Did you hear the joke about west ham handing a new contract to a player who starts the season on fire... 9 games...two goals...one assist
absolute joke of a player...when will we learn
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Vexed
11:38 Mon Oct 23
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Russ of the BML 11:20 Mon Oct 23
I dont think it's unreasonable to expect to get a result when you a red by far the better team on paper. Obviously factoring in the enormous drag factor of Moyes we still should have been in the game. But the cunt doesn't even try to win games like this against a half decent but far from frightening Villa side. It's embarrassing. He hasn't got a clue what to do when we go a goal down. He's turning Paqueta into whatever the fuck Fornals is now. I fucking hate the cunt. We'll drop points against Olympiakos too, I can see it a mile off.
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Russ of the BML
11:20 Mon Oct 23
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I cannot believe there was actually supporters that believed we would win this game. This was a home win about as nailed on as night coming after day.
And that is Moyes problem. He's got a ceiling. He's so very limited. We've had a half decent start to the season. I think the team have looked solid and balanced and have played some decent stuff, without actually looking amazing. So, as decent as it has been, for me there is so much more this team can achieve.
So just when we get to the game that if we win would've put us fifth on 17 points and right in the mix, we turn out that fucking turgid performance. And, once again, we look well short of what is actually required. Relying on a League 2 level striker in Antonio and Soucek lumbering around not achieving much. Defending like children.
Whereas Villa look a team in the ascendancy. They look like a team with purpose who are playing with a gameplan and a real intent.
God forbid Moyes goes to Villa and plays a front 3 of Antonio, Kudus and Bowen. God forbid we go there and actually try to win the game. Moyes plays percentages, especially away from home. He'll set up not to concede and hope that in the last 20 minutes it's 0-0 or even we are just one down. Sometimes it works but very often it doesn't. And when it doesn't Moyes offers very little in switching it and changing it up. Moyes gives opposing managers very little to worry about above what they already know. His in game influence almost zero.
We got 40% possession in this game. Probably as high as we will get under Moyes. But we don't have a quality striker. Compare Watkins to Antonio. Night and day. Embarrassing how far Watkins is ahead of him. But Moyes goes with him because it suits Moyes-ball.
We are now mid-table. Where we should be. Moyes will be happy with that because we're not in a relegation fight. As someone said earlier, we have a team of superstars all running about chasing, harrying and defending. Things need to change.
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Vexed
11:14 Mon Oct 23
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We're going to look back at this era and say, why didnt we get a good manager in to get the best out of that excellent squad? Much like the England squad this opportunity to achieve something is being squandered by the fucking idiots picking the team. Neither of them are tactically up to the modern game and yesterday was just embarrassing from Moyes, everything about it was a joke. Why wait until the end of the season? Lose the cunt now and salvage something out of this season ffs.
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Rossal
10:53 Mon Oct 23
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"We are a boring shithouse cunt of a team, littered with superb players"
Made me chuckle, and its bang on to be honest. On paper there isnt much between us and Villa......except they have a good coach that picks the correct team and we have the dinosaur
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LeroysBoots
10:32 Mon Oct 23
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Hoping Steidten can influence Sullivan re the idiot Moyes
Get rid at the end of the season
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Willtell
10:23 Mon Oct 23
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I understand why Moyes tends to be loyal to long term players but even I was screaming for Soucek to be taken off at half time. Soucek is never an attacking midfielder and never the best defensive midfielder either but he was there because of loyalty.
Antonio was dreadful as well and it looks as though time has caught up and passed him now. Why haven't we got a decent back up? Moyes decisions again and why so many want him fired which won't happen unless our league position gets a lot worse.
The Europa game in Greece will see a lot of changes and I think how that goes for the reserves will make up Moyes mind for how we play the next PL game.
Moyes can't continue to be loyal to Soucek with Kudus on the bench but what alternative to Antonio is there if Mubama never gets a run? Unfortunately these are problems of Moyes own makings.
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fraser
10:22 Mon Oct 23
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Yeah it's just one bad game.
We've let in 12 goals in our last 5 league games, that's 2.4 goals a game. So we need to score more than that to win games, our two players furthest up the pitch were Soucek and Antonio.. That's unsustainable
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Takashi Miike
10:00 Mon Oct 23
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do you watch the games, or just look at the league table? without areola this season, we would be bottom six. your right about the cups, as beating a pub team every fortnight will again keep the cunt in his job
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wd40
9:53 Mon Oct 23
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Tim fucking Sherwood?
That great manager oh let's all listen and learn .
Spurs lovers
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wd40
9:51 Mon Oct 23
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Villa a team on the up us a bad day at the office
It happens its . ..
football.
Cup it is...again enjoy!
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Eerie Descent
8:53 Mon Oct 23
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People digging out Paqueta ffs
The lad is being flogged out on the left wing, he's as far away from a winger as you can be, he's one of the best central midfielders in the league, it is a crime to football that this fucking manager is committing.
I wasn't pissed off yesterday, because I've seen this coming, but I'm fucked off today because it's so clear what's going on. Gimps on here blinded by a couple of jammy result wasn't going to sway me, we are a boring shithouse cunt of a team, littered with superb players. It's beyond the pale.
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Manuel
3:41 Mon Oct 23
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Not read the thread, but it feels like we have gone back a long way with this defeat and there are a few things coming home to roost.
I had Tim Sherwood and Owen Hargreaves as pundits, and both of them said that Paqueta is being wasted and we don't need Soucek in the side. Moyes's stubbornness is infuriating. Sack the cunt today.
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Takashi Miike
1:53 Mon Oct 23
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AOI, exactly that. he'll just tell them to be even more cautious and sitting deep
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Any Old Iron
1:47 Mon Oct 23
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Moyes post match:
“We weren’t as resolute as we have been and we need to be harder to play against………
You need to be ugly at the back if you have to be”.
So there you have it, just negative ideas from Moyes. No talk of how much better we have to be going forward. He doesn’t even consider that.
If ever a manager has run out of ideas it’s Moyes.
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fraser
1:36 Mon Oct 23
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I don't think either of those was soft, first he was unsighted and a deflection.
Second was hit like a rocket, not many would have saved it.
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Full Claret Jacket
1:23 Mon Oct 23
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Areola showed exactly why he isn't playing for a Champions League club today. Pulls off a great save from Luiz and then lets in 2 soft ones.
Defensive shambles today. Missed headers, Zouma too slow. The midfeld was completely outplayed. No idea what Paqueta was doing. Shocking performance. Looked like he couldn't be bothered. Putting Ward Prowse deeper seems to have affected his game.
As for Antonio up front. How long do we have to put up with this. He is shot. Might be a useful sub for 15mins but Antonio just doesn't contribute enough. When I see the movement, pace and instinct of strikers at other clubs it only amplifies the poor decision to stick with him.
Moyes football just bores me to death. A lot of money spent on some very talented players who look like they have forgotten their strengths.
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